Fender vintage - truss rod adjustment
17 September 2006
Ah yes, the truss rod...
When I was but a young lad, dreaming sleep away with erotic dreams of sinuous, curved Fenders and dark, sweet Gibsons which shamed my clunky third rate guitars, a truss rod was just the thing that made your guitar neck straight. Buying a secondhand guitar always involved sighting down the neck, as if you knew what you were doing, and could spot a maladjusted truss rod at a glance. This at least was simple; a good guitar had a straight neck and a bad guitar didn't.
Well, surprise, surprise - turns out it’s not that simple at all. A guitar string is fixed at both ends and vibrates up and down in the middle when plucked, so it makes sense that a guitar neck should be bowed slightly in the middle to make room for the vibrations. Rather than being the big stiff rod that makes sure the neck is always kept to the straight and narrow, the truss rod turns out to be a tool of skill and subtlety, whose minute variations and delicate adjustments can tune the neck to exquisite refinement.
Unless you go vintage.
More grief than relief.
My vintage strat style neck should apparently have a relief measurement of 0.12in - it's probably different for your guitar. Now, a little bit of background here: The neck I was attempting to match with the James Bisset Fiftieth Anniversary strat was my old and faithful Squier Japanese Hank Marvin Strat neck, a one piece maple neck. But for reasons I still can't quite fathom, I decided at the last minute to get a rosewood fingerboard. On many guitars, the truss rod adjustment is made by accessing the truss rod nut in the headstock and in others, by tweaking a nut at the other end, where the neck meets the body.
And that's certainly true of the strat maple fingerboard and my Vox Tornado above. But the same can't be said of the Strat maple neck and rosewood board. Guess where the adjustment lies there?
That's right, on the end of the neck and accessible only when you take the neck right off.
So, a few careful tweaks that should take half an hour, end up with this particular neck taking days. I may be wrong here, but my reckoning is that if you take the strings off, take the neck off, adjust the truss rod, put the neck back on, put the strings back on and bring the neck up to tension, then you'd better wait at least 24 hours and let everything settle in before you take any more measurements. What on earth was Leo Fender thinking of?
And how does it measure up?
The technique for measuring your neck relief before adjusting the truss rod involves the use of a 'feeler' or thickness gauge. Now I'd never heard of these before, so for those of you as ill-educated as me, here's a picture of mine:
Each one of these strips is a different thickness, so by fitting a capo at the first fret, holding down the sixth string at the last fret and then slipping the various thicknesses between sixth string and fret around the eight fret, you can measure the gap.
If you're quick, you'll spot the logical flaw here. The thickness gauge will indicate what the gap is not rather than what the gap is: e.g. the gap is greater than 0.006 and less than 0.008 so it's probably around 0.007.
And just to help you, the string will obligingly move up out of the way if your gauge is thicker than the gap.
Bent as a nine bob note.
So I worked out a better way. I bought a two foot steel rule and cut it down to around eighteen inches so it was the same length as the fingerboard, rested it 'edge on' over the frets and slipped the gauge through the gap as before. Completely different result! At last we're getting somewhere. At least until I double checked, turned the ruler over to use the opposite edge and couldn't get the gauge through the gap at all. It would appear that a stainless steel rule is not the same thing as a 'straight-edge', which I'm now guessing is a technical term.
Turn and turn and turn again.
Back to the string as straight-edge then. I started the process with the truss rod nut set as you see it above, with the slots vertical and horizontal.
- The gap measured between 0.006 and 0.007in.
- So I turned the nut 45° anticlockwise, and 24 hours later the gap was between 0.008 and 0.009in.
- Another 45° and 24 hours and the gap was greater than 0.12 and less than 0.15in.
- I turned the nut back approx 15° clockwise tonight. I'll report back tomorrow on the results.
Comments
Si Nicholls
2006.09.29 11:27
#1
Talk about getting back to basics!
Isn't this a slight diversion from the recording? lol
You sure you doing this the right way round.
1) Do recording
2) Write songs
3) Build guitar
Good luck!
Barnaby Neale
2006.09.24 23:47
#2
At a gig tonight my trusty resonator finally gave in to the pressure of gigging and the neck snapped in twain. I will never trust a G-clamp ever again. I will be getting trussed next time.
So you've given up fiddling with your rod? Now I look at your fastidiousness in the daylight I don't find it quite as impressive.
Barnaby
James
2006.09.24 02:17
#3
Roll up! Roll up!
For only 9.99 you can see for yourself the extent of this man's fastidiousness.
Be amazed at it's length!
Be astounded by it's girth!
Ladies - could you accommodate such a monster!
Gentlemen - who among you is not intimidated!
Oh - and I never reported back because the results were bloody ridickulus. That little final tweak threw the 'angle of turn' to 'height of relief' table results out the window!
Barnaby Neale
2006.09.23 00:16
#4
Well? Did you get the truss sussed? It's a different world to my guitars - my cheap Vintage resonator doesn't have a truss rod, but it does have a g-clamp holding the horribly split head onto the guitar. It isn't pretty but it works.
What you are doing seems like the stuff of engineering degrees. Fascinating, and as ever I admire your fastidiousness. . .
Jeremy
2008.04.03 06:26
#5
I just came across this site looking to adjust the truss rod of my EJ Strat that has the vintage style. It doesn't take days or even days. It takes 5-10 minutes.
What you do is just loosen the strings enough so that you can unbolt the neck and take the neck off with strings all attached. Then fiddle with the adjustment and bolt the neck back on, set the loose strings back into the nut and retighten. No need to replace your set of strings everytime! A few twirls of a winder and you are set!
Steve
2009.01.15 01:14
#6
Just to muddy the waters a little (it's a family trait), When checking relief, don't fret at the last fret - as Uncle Tom Cobbley and all will tell you. Fret at the 12th, and check your relief at the 5th fret (halfway between the nut and the 12th).
The reason is that the truss rod is designed to give relief in this area. There is no relief after the 12th fret.
On the original '50s one piece maple necks, the T.R. adjustment was exactly the same as your Warmoth neck.
Thanks for the Fuzzmania link !
Steve.
James
2009.01.15 01:26
#7
I've been investigating shimming too, which throws yet another curve ball into the mix (mixed metaphors I know).
I see another post coming on.
Steve
2009.01.15 13:20
#8
No shimmng necessary on my Strat, but the Teisco had a strip of some substance which had broken down with age. Some techs will recommend a strip of veneer or cardboard, but old credit cards are very handy, and vary slightly in thickness so you can fine tune the angle.
A much-maligned Fender idea was the 3 bolt micro-tilt system in the '70s. Slacken the 3 neck screws, and adjust the grub screw. With these, you get the 'bullet' truss rod nut conveniently on the headstock.
These were seen as CBS messing further with the purity of the Strat design, and S/H prices were comparitively low. Now, they are conveniently 'vintage'.
Sorry, I got carried away...
Daniel
2009.05.11 00:16
#9
Hi! I have a Mexican 50's Classic Player Strat, and the truss rod is like this one you are talking about. I don't know if it is normal but, when I play a bend on the high E string around the 13th and 17th fret the sound of it just goes off and "dissapear". My guitar teacher told me the neck might need more "bow" because it was too flat. My question is, if it is too flat, wich way should I move the truss rod? And does the string gauge chanches the neck bow? Because when I buyed this thing it came with .10s and I play with .9s.
James
2009.05.11 10:37
#10
I don't know the 50's Classic Player Strat, but if it's styled after a 50's Strat the chances are that it's the fingerboard radius that's the problem. The early strats had a fingerboard radius of 7.25", which means the the centre of the fingerboard is higher that the sides. Look at the picture above showing the end of my strat neck and you'll see what I mean. If you fret one of the outside strings and then bend it towards the middle, the string will 'choke' on the frets above because they're higher in the middle. Fender now use a 9.5" radius, making the fingerboard a little flatter to avoid this problem.
Of course, it could also be the that the frets are poorly finished , or as you say, the truss rod needs adjusting. Certainly the truss rod will need adjusting if you change the string tension, but I doubt that it would make much difference to the higher registers.
Turn the adjuster anti-clockwise to slacken the truss rod and allow the strings to bow the neck more. Turn the adjuster clockwise to tighten the truss rod and compensate for the string tension by straightening the neck.
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